tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4574370384536640867.post9093119609221055420..comments2023-06-21T04:23:48.342-07:00Comments on The Instant Fossil Factory: Good IntentionsThe Old Fossilhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05309164084032722383noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4574370384536640867.post-64097683133906379892013-01-23T20:48:58.784-08:002013-01-23T20:48:58.784-08:00@shackman
Ain't that the truth!!!@shackman<br /><br />Ain't that the truth!!!The Old Fossilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05309164084032722383noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4574370384536640867.post-3010365038619733082013-01-23T10:35:59.803-08:002013-01-23T10:35:59.803-08:00I am saying that people universally feel justified...I am saying that people universally feel justified in their behavior subjectively at some level at the time of action.<br /><br /><br />OK - that makes sense - topic might have been better served if called intent vs justification - I taker it as a blinding flash of the obvious that as Paul Said, intentioned actions, genuinely well-intentions actions, can have calamitous appalling consequences.Shackman https://www.blogger.com/profile/01690901432037614409noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4574370384536640867.post-53339585527318729212013-01-23T08:56:20.021-08:002013-01-23T08:56:20.021-08:00@shackmanAddendum: the argument would be circular ...@shackman<br><br>Addendum: the argument would be circular if I said the intentions objectively seen are good would make it a circular argument. The only comment I am really making is that they are subjectively seen as good, even when justice is the only good in them, and that has no bearing on whether they are good objectively. I am saying that people universally feel justified in their behavior subjectively at some level at the time of action.The Old Fossilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05309164084032722383noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4574370384536640867.post-21386774963375117122013-01-23T08:53:35.418-08:002013-01-23T08:53:35.418-08:00@shackmanDisagree, Rocky Colavito! I am not sayin...@shackman<br><br>Disagree, Rocky Colavito! I am not saying that this version of good intentions is either good or bad objectively, I am saying that subjectively they are seen as justified at some level and that implies that they are just and that says they are subjectively good. Crazy and destructive people often have objectively very bad intentions, but they feel their actions are just, usually seeing themselves as victims at some level or another and justified in balancing the scales.The Old Fossilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05309164084032722383noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4574370384536640867.post-57324335388279240122013-01-23T08:50:37.867-08:002013-01-23T08:50:37.867-08:00@GrannymarYour confusion seems to not be isolated,...@Grannymar<br><br>Your confusion seems to not be isolated, LOL!The Old Fossilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05309164084032722383noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4574370384536640867.post-78522292530957198832013-01-23T08:50:09.615-08:002013-01-23T08:50:09.615-08:00@DeliriousYes, they often have really lousy judgme...@Delirious<br><br>Yes, they often have really lousy judgment in their effortsThe Old Fossilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05309164084032722383noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4574370384536640867.post-90956879652922055912013-01-23T08:49:23.533-08:002013-01-23T08:49:23.533-08:00@UrsulaAnswer to your question of whether for him ...@Ursula<br><br>Answer to your question of whether for him or for you? For him, obviously. I am not saying a warped good intention is good for anyone else.The Old Fossilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05309164084032722383noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4574370384536640867.post-17135558068394451422013-01-23T08:48:14.261-08:002013-01-23T08:48:14.261-08:00@blackwatertownWe are on the same page, Paul.@blackwatertown<br><br>We are on the same page, Paul.The Old Fossilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05309164084032722383noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4574370384536640867.post-79799653779176374732013-01-23T08:47:54.685-08:002013-01-23T08:47:54.685-08:00@RummuserYou are so inscrutable.@Rummuser<br><br>You are so inscrutable.The Old Fossilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05309164084032722383noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4574370384536640867.post-26483342136500306562013-01-23T08:46:25.058-08:002013-01-23T08:46:25.058-08:00@MaxiYou kind of understand my perspective, Maxi. ...@Maxi<br><br>You kind of understand my perspective, Maxi. My perspective is not that the justification means it is objectively good, it means that the person is, at some fundamental level, trying to work out something they see as justified and the very root of justified is that it means the act is (in their eyes) just! Just is one element of good and that is what I mean by good intentions FROM THEIR PERSPECTIVE.<br><br>Delirious pretty much restated my view, but Paul is the only one who seems to have fully taken in what I obviously said without clarity. I worked with people on locked wards for 4 years and this was the only perspective that allowed me and my fellow workers to really work to the basic motivations of the patients. Once I knew what they saw as justification, what made their views and behaviors just to them, could I start the process of building a bridge to how the rest of the world saw it. Without that understanding, they were never reached, never touched and no other way of seeing the world had a chance of taking shape.The Old Fossilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05309164084032722383noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4574370384536640867.post-54200799097805498422013-01-22T04:50:24.037-08:002013-01-22T04:50:24.037-08:00I understand your perspective, Consort. Still, I d...I understand your perspective, Consort. Still, I don't think justification is the same as good intentions. One who feels "justified" in harming another does not have "good intentions."<br /><br />Paul has a good take with his approach; "I meant well" should not be accepted as an excuse.<br /><br />Blessings to you and the family ~ Maxi<br /><br /><br /><br />Maxihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15906657260598913275noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4574370384536640867.post-35158508680612574532013-01-19T13:10:57.941-08:002013-01-19T13:10:57.941-08:00I'm glad you took this alternative approach in...I'm glad you took this alternative approach instead of your original take on the topic. This is more interesting.<br /><br />You're touching on how I always interpreted that phrase - the road to hell is paved with good intentions. I later learned that it was supposed to refer to people having a good intention, but not acting on it - that thoughts were insufficient, deeds were necessary. fair enough.<br /><br />But I always saw it as meaning that well-intentioned actions, genuinely well-intentions actions, can have calamitous appalling consequences. Sincerely held beliefs can lead to genocidal behaviour - as well as loveliness.<br /><br />So where does that leave us? I think it means that "I meant well" should not necessarily be accepted as an excuse.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4574370384536640867.post-7352877762736006772013-01-19T06:20:26.598-08:002013-01-19T06:20:26.598-08:00You have come up to the precipice but have stopped...You have come up to the precipice but have stopped from taking the final leap into the awesomeness.Rummuserhttp://www.rummuser.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4574370384536640867.post-49565818002468830182013-01-19T02:43:29.465-08:002013-01-19T02:43:29.465-08:00Sorry, Old Foss, that should have read "Delir...Sorry, Old Foss, that should have read "Delirious and my comments over at Shackman's". Who says I am infallible (even if my intentions are good)?<br /><br />UUrsulahttp://bitchontheblog.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4574370384536640867.post-27552633208502404332013-01-19T02:34:53.332-08:002013-01-19T02:34:53.332-08:00What are your "Anonymous" reader's i...What are your "Anonymous" reader's intentions? Good? For him or for you? Or both?<br /><br />I wonder what the LBC would have made of the subject if you had just put up "Intentions" rather than 'good intentions'. Indeed if you ask someone, in neutral as it were: "What are your intentions?" most will assure you that their intention is 'good'. Hmm. Not so sure. Often self serving. A weapon in the meddler's arsenal. See both Delirious and my comments over at Ramana's.<br /><br />I agree with your paragraph of good intention often born out of 'idealism'. Mind you, those who believe in that concept also cling to their belief in the good in people even when evidence shows us otherwise. But yes, I do take your point - what else can one do in order not to despair at times with mankind.<br /><br />'Primitive'? There you have lost me.<br /><br />UUrsulahttp://bitchontheblog.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4574370384536640867.post-76173410115065497492013-01-18T17:09:52.898-08:002013-01-18T17:09:52.898-08:00The one thing I can say for good intentions is tha...The one thing I can say for good intentions is that people seem to actually be trying to do something good. We rarely hear of a normal person who tries to follow their evil intentions. :) It's just that many people with good intentions don't have a very good sense of judgment. Delirioushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01564398770468606675noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4574370384536640867.post-57674389722504616772013-01-18T09:57:31.438-08:002013-01-18T09:57:31.438-08:00Dearest Fossie, I think you and Ramana are in caho...Dearest Fossie, I think you and Ramana are in cahoots this week, trying to confuse me. Since I am not a lover of Uisce beatha(the name for whiskey in the Irish language) I'll leave it to you boys to sort out! ;)Grannymarhttp://grannymar.com/blognoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4574370384536640867.post-9543793581114460262013-01-18T07:11:41.074-08:002013-01-18T07:11:41.074-08:00Correct me if I'm wrong but this version of go...Correct me if I'm wrong but this version of good intentions is neither good nor bad - it is simply intentions. Are you suggesting as a primitive act intention is always good? The circular notion that evil people have good intentions in their own frame of reference is somewhat disingenuous IMHO. This strikes me as a future single-malt discussion :-)Shackman https://www.blogger.com/profile/01690901432037614409noreply@blogger.com