tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4574370384536640867.post5989033826303401756..comments2023-06-21T04:23:48.342-07:00Comments on The Instant Fossil Factory: ContradictionThe Old Fossilhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05309164084032722383noreply@blogger.comBlogger25125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4574370384536640867.post-43460931180493456812013-07-06T19:48:19.354-07:002013-07-06T19:48:19.354-07:00@RummuserThat mix of languages I find to be absolu...@Rummuser<br><br>That mix of languages I find to be absolutely amazing! Some day, I must see your nation. Until then, I sit at your feet to learn of it.The Old Fossilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05309164084032722383noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4574370384536640867.post-20168554620863249042013-07-06T19:47:30.776-07:002013-07-06T19:47:30.776-07:00@shackmanI have always been American and I wouldn&...@shackman<br><br>I have always been American and I wouldn't want to be anything else. I'd hope most people in their countries would feel that way. I love it here.The Old Fossilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05309164084032722383noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4574370384536640867.post-42733443793118700032013-07-06T18:31:56.361-07:002013-07-06T18:31:56.361-07:00Amen to that Shackman.Amen to that Shackman.Rummuserhttp://www.rummuser.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4574370384536640867.post-2559750911619571802013-07-06T18:30:55.157-07:002013-07-06T18:30:55.157-07:00You can say the same thing about India. The USA a...You can say the same thing about India. The USA at least has, at least till recently, one language in common. India has 30 languages that are spoken by more than a million native speakers each, 122 by more than 10,000 each.Rummuserhttp://www.rummuser.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4574370384536640867.post-54526058926823232852013-07-06T15:10:29.257-07:002013-07-06T15:10:29.257-07:00You got that right in spades Fos....something many...You got that right in spades Fos....something many including a Americans forget - I'd say more to love than hate no matter how you cut itShackman https://www.blogger.com/profile/01690901432037614409noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4574370384536640867.post-4446400797347544852013-07-06T14:50:58.158-07:002013-07-06T14:50:58.158-07:00@MaxiIt is a debate about respect and civility her...@Maxi<br><br>It is a debate about respect and civility here that predates your joining our group.The Old Fossilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05309164084032722383noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4574370384536640867.post-30548670383702168412013-07-06T14:48:00.237-07:002013-07-06T14:48:00.237-07:00@shackmanSecond response to your comment as regard...@shackman<br><br>Second response to your comment as regards Texas: one of the realizations anyone who understands America must come to is that we are more a collection of what the rest of the world under many circumstances would see as nations. This country is so varied in terrain, weather, culture and attitude as one traverses it, there is no easy way to authoritatively define what an American is. We offer something for anyone to hate if that is their inclination, LOL. And, we offer on the other hand something for anyone to love if they wish.The Old Fossilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05309164084032722383noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4574370384536640867.post-66838801060388951272013-07-06T14:42:00.447-07:002013-07-06T14:42:00.447-07:00@shackmanBesides civility, what we have lost in th...@shackman<br><br>Besides civility, what we have lost in this process is the original intent and messages of the post itself. I have to think that over-the-top behavior is designed to draw attention to oneself. If not designed to do so, at least the outcome becomes that.The Old Fossilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05309164084032722383noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4574370384536640867.post-23973061546465653362013-07-06T14:37:25.136-07:002013-07-06T14:37:25.136-07:00@RummuserThe nation must have intelligence gatheri...@Rummuser<br><br>The nation must have intelligence gathering. It is always in conflict with privacy for some, but it is a necessity nonetheless.The Old Fossilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05309164084032722383noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4574370384536640867.post-32798168362903340032013-07-06T14:35:12.183-07:002013-07-06T14:35:12.183-07:00@RummuserI think your comment about fondness for y...@Rummuser<br><br>I think your comment about fondness for your own country is well said and well taken. Fondness for your own country I believe to be a positive.The Old Fossilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05309164084032722383noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4574370384536640867.post-5965436310308375102013-07-06T14:33:02.473-07:002013-07-06T14:33:02.473-07:00@GrannymarI agree about the food portions, GM. Th...@Grannymar<br><br>I agree about the food portions, GM. The problem has grown over the past few decades and part of it may be fallout from the "Supersize Me" phenomenon and fast food places. It is a shame at multiple levels, health, environment and waste being just a few.The Old Fossilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05309164084032722383noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4574370384536640867.post-80014127961491760112013-07-06T11:54:03.354-07:002013-07-06T11:54:03.354-07:00"This person" has a name, Maxi: It's..."This person" has a name, Maxi: It's Ursula. Instead of just brushing aside what I said why not think about it?<br /><br />Blessings,<br />UUrsulahttp://bitchontheblog.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4574370384536640867.post-62420465738942731032013-07-06T11:22:51.021-07:002013-07-06T11:22:51.021-07:00I'm with ya all the way, D.
Hmm, you said so...I'm with ya all the way, D. <br /><br />Hmm, you said something so American another found it toe-curling embarrassing. <br /><br />Then you said something else that made this person snort with derision. <br /><br />Still, this person claims to hold you in esteem. <br /><br />Now that is a contradiction.<br /><br />blessings to you and the family ~ maxiMaxihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15906657260598913275noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4574370384536640867.post-3697588824312839322013-07-06T08:40:59.270-07:002013-07-06T08:40:59.270-07:00Hmmmm - sorry all - I find U's comment intenti...Hmmmm - sorry all - I find U's comment intentionally over-the-top and kinda funny. It's not what I would call rude - more an attempt to elicit responses and debate. I might have taken a different approach -<br /><br />https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTjMqda19wk<br /><br />Will's speech aside, there're really only a couple of places I'd consider living other than here if forced to leave (although I'd really rather be somewhere else but Texas) <br /><br /><br /><br />Shackman https://www.blogger.com/profile/01690901432037614409noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4574370384536640867.post-8417206314284888662013-07-06T07:12:21.770-07:002013-07-06T07:12:21.770-07:00Statecraft of Machiavelli's Prince, Kautilya&#...Statecraft of Machiavelli's Prince, Kautilya's Arthashastra, China's Xu Guangqi's treatise on state craft etc, point to one fundamental truth. You cannot rule a nation state without internal spies. Leaving aside paranoia, a ruler is tolerated as long as he provides some security for his citizens. For freedom to exist, there must be security. Freedom cannot be an abstract concept. For true freedom to be and freedom from fear, citizens must be willing to compromise on some privacy.<br /><br />I am willing to compromise as I have nothing to hide.<br /><br />If you would like to explore the concepts of freedom from and freedom to further, you can do no better than read Erich Fromm's The Fear Of Freedom and Man For Himself.<br /><br />I find no contradiction whatsoever between the two concepts. They are not mutually exclusive. You cannot have the yin without the yang.Rummuserhttp://www.rummuser.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4574370384536640867.post-85003955418682701762013-07-06T07:00:25.046-07:002013-07-06T07:00:25.046-07:00Most Brits or for that matter other people from ot...Most Brits or for that matter other people from other countries will not know about Paris or for that matter Peking or Mumbai. That lack of awareness does not make them any less fond of their own countries. In the forums that you and I participate, we have had the privilege of universal education and that is all the difference. I have traveled widely all over the world, and this is one truth that was driven to me by observation and talking to the ordinary man on the street.<br /><br />Just ten kilometers as the crow flies from home there are villagers who have not been to this city ever, leave alone Mumbai or our nation's capital. But I have learnt some very valuable lessons from their native intelligence. They are no less fond of their country and its culture, history and heritage than I am.<br /><br />For Delirious living away from home and in China of all places, as you have rightly pointed out in her post, is homesick and there is no place like home for that kind of separation. <br /><br />Rummuserhttp://www.rummuser.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4574370384536640867.post-61890513518985411962013-07-06T04:45:23.456-07:002013-07-06T04:45:23.456-07:00Oh, Grannymar, you really do have it in for me, do...Oh, Grannymar, you really do have it in for me, don't you?<br /><br />I wasn't trying to make Delirious look bad. I hold Delirious in esteem and she knows it. All I did was putting a valid view. And the Paris example was given to me by, guess who, yes, an American. Straight from the horse's mouth. Someone who despairs that his fellow Americans rarely look beyond their own boundaries.<br /><br />Also, Delirious being a grown woman, I am sure she can answer me, if so inclined, herself.<br /><br />You and your etiquette, Grannymar. Yes, etiquette. Let's remember: Some countries top the heads of their boiled eggs, others peel them. Main thing to remember where you are at any one time.<br /><br />And I quite agree with you. What we say says a lot about us.<br /><br />I cherish and abide by "Integrity, honesty and trust". I am integer and honest. And I TRUST that people take me in good faith. Politeness I take for granted. Respect? Has to be earned.<br /><br />UUrsulahttp://bitchontheblog.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4574370384536640867.post-74971959125880387252013-07-06T03:40:23.736-07:002013-07-06T03:40:23.736-07:00@Ursula,
When you are rude in a comment, it shows...@Ursula,<br /><br />When you are rude in a comment, it shows more about who you are than the person you’re trying to make look bad. Remember, etiquette everywhere is about respect, politeness, integrity, honesty and trust.Grannymarhttp://grannymar.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4574370384536640867.post-3874633938743142262013-07-06T03:38:53.166-07:002013-07-06T03:38:53.166-07:00My only problem with the US of A (garnered on my o...My only problem with the US of A (garnered on my one and only short visit), was the size of food portions in restaurants. They were enormous and I noticed that nobody ever cleared their plates - what a waste of food.Grannymarhttp://grannymar.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4574370384536640867.post-33760049150700880982013-07-05T22:39:58.367-07:002013-07-05T22:39:58.367-07:00@UrsulaNot the comment on the post, the disparagin...@Ursula<br><br>Not the comment on the post, the disparaging comment toward Delirious is what I objected to. She walks the pathways of America and she has every right to feeling as she does without disparagement. My take, as I plan to present, is that the idea of comparison of countries as one being better than another is not necessary, but my take is not that she is wrong to feel so. Neither is your feeling about your own country or countries that you call home worthy of derision.<br><br>My take is that people from foreign soil make far too many authoritative judgments of other cultures that they do not experience directly by living them from the street level. It does not matter how many articles, even perceptive articles, that I may read about any other nation, be it Britain, Italy, Ireland, India or anywhere else, I may form an opinion, even an educated opinion, but I can never know the true experience and meaning of that nation and that culture without being a living, breathing, daily experiencing and participating part of it. That is the reason I do not comment with any authority on other bloggers' views of their own nations, for I can never know the nuance and the interplay like they can. Never.The Old Fossilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05309164084032722383noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4574370384536640867.post-4768301677905790222013-07-05T22:22:40.431-07:002013-07-05T22:22:40.431-07:00If you find it 'rude', so be it, Old Foss....If you find it 'rude', so be it, Old Foss. I will not apologize for what I said because it's how I see it and there is no point glossing over cracks. <br /><br />As to your post - it's been exercising me in as much as I find it not easy to answer. So glad I didn't send my initial response since I made allusions to you as the ultimate diplomat. You might have found that rude too. <br /><br />Let's compromise: If you'd rather I didn't comment on your original post then I won't. Do let me know.<br /><br />UUrsulahttp://bitchontheblog.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4574370384536640867.post-73280194501685974932013-07-05T22:14:14.524-07:002013-07-05T22:14:14.524-07:00@UrsulaThat response I find unnecessarily rude.@Ursula<br><br>That response I find unnecessarily rude.The Old Fossilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05309164084032722383noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4574370384536640867.post-78027912729188915712013-07-05T22:07:31.159-07:002013-07-05T22:07:31.159-07:00Your country "has problems"? As understa...Your country "has problems"? As understatements go I hereby declare you an honorary Englander. They too underplay the weather, particularly when it's raining.<br /><br />One point, Delirious, and forgetting the events of the last two weeks: How can anyone but anyone claim for any nation to be the "best"? That statement is so American it's toe-curlingly embarrassing. <br /><br />As to your second sentence, I am sorry but that makes me snort with derision. But then, as someone pointed out so kindly to me the other day, there are Americans who don't even know the capital of France.<br /><br />In despair,<br />UUrsulahttp://bitchontheblog.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4574370384536640867.post-81344245757496470872013-07-05T19:46:52.754-07:002013-07-05T19:46:52.754-07:00@DeliriousWell, some of our other readers may not ...@Delirious<br><br>Well, some of our other readers may not see us this way. That is fine, because we are what we are and I have every intention of addressing that - in my own way - in my next post. I was going to do it for the Fourth, but I ended up celebrating the holiday too long yesterday with some great friends.The Old Fossilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05309164084032722383noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4574370384536640867.post-7051226529896190272013-07-05T18:57:39.088-07:002013-07-05T18:57:39.088-07:00Absolutely, our country has problems, but it is th...Absolutely, our country has problems, but it is the best nation in the world! No other country has the same freedoms, the same opportunities, and the same quality of life! Delirioushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01564398770468606675noreply@blogger.com