tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4574370384536640867.post409196990054654391..comments2023-06-21T04:23:48.342-07:00Comments on The Instant Fossil Factory: A Stunning Answer to a Difficult QuestionThe Old Fossilhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05309164084032722383noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4574370384536640867.post-63874916036446212552013-01-30T13:09:55.044-08:002013-01-30T13:09:55.044-08:00@Maria
Considering what the implications are all ...@Maria<br /><br />Considering what the implications are all the way around, it is no wonder that people have such strong feelings. I also know of a woman who almost died in my mother's generation from a back-alley abortion.The Old Fossilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05309164084032722383noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4574370384536640867.post-18468918930016366992013-01-30T12:41:15.682-08:002013-01-30T12:41:15.682-08:00I remember too well the days before abortion was l...I remember too well the days before abortion was legal. I have friends whose lives were endangered by back-alley abortionists and may we never go back to such awful times. Around the time I was working for the airlines, there were many young women seeking abortions and would fly to somewhere like Mexico City for them. This was okay for the wealthy, but it left those without the money to use the old coat hanger or quinine way. Terrible, terrible, terrible.<br /><br />I believe in a woman's choice and I have a difficult time with those righteous bastards on the pro-life side who believe they have God on their side and there is only one answer -theirs.Mariahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06372751543635560383noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4574370384536640867.post-57241107082774437592013-01-28T13:44:57.809-08:002013-01-28T13:44:57.809-08:00As you know from my post, I totally understand wha...As you know from my post, I totally understand what you are saying. Life can offer us brutal choices to make.The Old Fossilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05309164084032722383noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4574370384536640867.post-14622362402025984612013-01-28T13:40:32.704-08:002013-01-28T13:40:32.704-08:00@Grannymar
I can endorse everything you said.@Grannymar<br /><br />I can endorse everything you said.The Old Fossilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05309164084032722383noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4574370384536640867.post-26183228030807282312013-01-28T13:24:57.792-08:002013-01-28T13:24:57.792-08:00I am against abortion as a means of birth control ...I am against abortion as a means of birth control - and I am pro choice. No government should have the right to dictate to any woman regarding her body. Like you Fos, I see both sides of the equation and can understand where those who believe life begins at conception are coming from. I do not happen to agree with that notion - to me "life" begins when the unborn has a reasonable chance of survival - which makes me against late term abortions. Basially third trimester is out other than veery rare circumstances in which the mother's life is in grave danger. And by that time the child has a reasonable chance of survival if delivered early so it is almost a moot point.<br /><br />In a similar vein - we have no way of knowing of course but I wonder if Lynn & I would have had kids if we'd known about her HD. As it stands now we have children each with a 50% chance of inheriting the gene (they both refuse to be tested) and thus the disease - and if either of them have HD each of their kids has a 50/50 chance of having HD. If I had any real knowledge of what this disease/condition is all about I cannot with any degree of honesty say I would have wanted kids knowing Lynn had it. Shackman https://www.blogger.com/profile/01690901432037614409noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4574370384536640867.post-64631224970937886852013-01-28T13:18:05.604-08:002013-01-28T13:18:05.604-08:00I have never been in this position, so really have...I have never been in this position, so really have no right to make comment or judge others. In my heart of hearts I do feel that abortion should be legal, but it should be rare.Grannymarhttp://grannymar.com/blognoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4574370384536640867.post-1940403337033571872013-01-27T21:16:32.534-08:002013-01-27T21:16:32.534-08:00I am pro choice, but I understand where many conse...I am pro choice, but I understand where many conservatives are coming from. They believe the child is a full person at conception and they believe abortion of them is murder. The moral choice for them is clear and I respect their vantage point. Where I break with many of them is that the world is as it is and their efforts drive abortion back into the back alley. I also find them inconsistent in not being crusaders for the care of children from unwanted pregnancies. I also see many of them going way too far in trying to ban abortion from rape, from situations like Tsy Sachs, from situations endangering the mother's health.<br /><br /><br />Beyond these matters, I personally feel it is up to the mother. Period.The Old Fossilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05309164084032722383noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4574370384536640867.post-28125222479418567182013-01-27T21:06:31.165-08:002013-01-27T21:06:31.165-08:00@Ursula
The father is ever so close to the child....@Ursula<br /><br />The father is ever so close to the child. He should ideally have a loving and respectful relationship with the mother where solutions are worked out together. In the real world, this is often not the case and I believe that because of her intimate relationship with the child gestating in her body, the ultimate decision must be the mother's. I do not say this at all lightly.The Old Fossilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05309164084032722383noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4574370384536640867.post-8148347017171527552013-01-27T20:58:31.346-08:002013-01-27T20:58:31.346-08:00@Delirious
There are various ways to know that li...@Delirious<br /><br />There are various ways to know that life is sacred and various ways to lose your path. To be human has many complexities and I do not know easy answers to the needs of others. I don't know how many, if any, can really just take it as a form of birth control if you really delve to their core.The Old Fossilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05309164084032722383noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4574370384536640867.post-14262822064158444262013-01-27T06:23:48.421-08:002013-01-27T06:23:48.421-08:00Coming as I do from a so called backward country m...Coming as I do from a so called backward country mired in ancient religious beliefs and battling its own internal religious strife, but for all that where abortion is legal and is advertised widely, I find it strange that countries so called exactly the opposite to that of mine, are still battling this old conundrum. This question comes to mind - "Why do Conservatives seem to believe that outlawing guns won't prevent gun violence, but outlawing abortion will prevent abortion?"<br /><br />And since we are in a fessing up situation here, let me share a story too.<br /><br />I was all of 18, living alone and trying to make my way in the world to the best of my ability when my girl friend got pregnant. Abortions were not legal then in India and this was disaster of the greatest magnitude for both of us. I tried to borrow money from a couple of relatives who I thought would help considering the enormity of the situation, but both flatly turned me down and suggested that I marry the girl. The problem was that she did not want that option due to her own family problems. I solved the problem eventually through a very dangerous and expensive illegal procedure.<br /><br />Later, after I had stopped being a nogoodnick, and I became a respectable member of the family, the same two relatives asked how I had solved the problem and I explained. I was also able to forgive them for their stand as when they explained it when I was much older, it made sense to me.<br /><br />I am not neutral on this issue. I am pro choice as I saw first hand what the girl went through before the solution was found.<br /><br />As I have said many times before, things happen and so far in my case, they have been experiences that have taught me to accept what comes my way without being judgmental and it works. Rummuserhttp://www.rummuser.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4574370384536640867.post-63684522433152256482013-01-27T02:47:38.140-08:002013-01-27T02:47:38.140-08:00Powerful piece, Old Foss.
FOS (father of my son)...Powerful piece, Old Foss. <br /><br />FOS (father of my son) made it very clear to me well before we even considered becoming parents that he would not be able to cope with a 'disabled' child. 10/10 for honesty. Considering that we (most certainly I) do come from strong stock the assertion was irrelevant. By the same token he refused to even consider adoption - my own romantic notion being that,in addition to having our "own" (genetically), we might give happiness to an unwanted child through adoption. Never mind. Doesn't matter. It's always the one who say 'NO' to something who has the last word.<br /><br />In terms of obstetrics my age not only deemed me to have an amnio, with regards to FOS I had no choice. As it happened we produced a bright spark, no toes missing. All I know is that abortion is partly made too much of, partly too little. To call it some type of "post coital contraception" makes me laugh. I have yet to find a woman who makes light of the emotional impact of an abortion. Call it an accident, pop a pill. Sure, some of us are more rational to tick it off as not much more than having a molar extracted. Don't be fooled.<br /><br />And let's remind ourselves that nature itself is the greatest abortionist of all times. When it [nature] has its feelers out you will abort/miscarry. Survival of the fittest and all that.<br /><br />My own credentials? I was conceived (indeed born) out of wedlock. My mother was offered an abortion. She declined. And lived with "the shame". Now bloggers have to live with the fallout via my comments. Lucky you.<br /><br />Strange about the abortion discussion going on in the States, a country considered by so many as leading the world. By not legalizing it you'll go the way of the bendy steel coat hanger. Fact is (see my credential above) if you were never born you will not know the difference just as we do not after we have died. And of course it should always be the mother's decision. As much as my heart bleeds for some fathers who are not given any say in the matter. Yet, it's her who not only carries for nine months but forever. <br /><br />I am so very glad it worked out for you, Lady Foss and the deliciously named Lafawnda.<br /><br /><br />UUrsulahttp://bitchontheblog.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4574370384536640867.post-59601387931433522892013-01-26T15:49:18.211-08:002013-01-26T15:49:18.211-08:00I wish more people viewed abortion as you do. But...I wish more people viewed abortion as you do. But sadly, too many people think of abortion as just another form of birth control.Delirioushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01564398770468606675noreply@blogger.com