tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4574370384536640867.post2548946643548033249..comments2023-06-21T04:23:48.342-07:00Comments on The Instant Fossil Factory: Nature vs. NurtureThe Old Fossilhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05309164084032722383noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4574370384536640867.post-68627762721862184442013-02-11T20:57:07.851-08:002013-02-11T20:57:07.851-08:00@shackmanIt is a good discussion. I have seen evi...@shackman<br><br>It is a good discussion. I have seen evidence of deflection and overcoming just as you say, but it is really the two working in concert that yields what life can truly offer. Great topic suggestion, shackman!The Old Fossilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05309164084032722383noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4574370384536640867.post-91335733895297436902013-02-11T10:47:37.961-08:002013-02-11T10:47:37.961-08:00 I have first hand knowledge that nurture can defl... I have first hand knowledge that nurture can deflect/defeat/offset some very dark aspects of nature. That said, they are not in competition with each other - nurture is very much a supporting act to what nature provides us. This thread generated the discussion I was hoping for.Shackman https://www.blogger.com/profile/01690901432037614409noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4574370384536640867.post-1107784402776843262013-02-10T09:10:22.992-08:002013-02-10T09:10:22.992-08:00@RummuserI agree about the why. Otherwise, we ten...@Rummuser<br><br>I agree about the why. Otherwise, we tend to try to reduce the person, the body and the mind to a machine, a very unfortunate and destructive reduction.The Old Fossilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05309164084032722383noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4574370384536640867.post-86327569465445735922013-02-10T03:46:55.094-08:002013-02-10T03:46:55.094-08:00All the studies explain the what. The Why is expl...All the studies explain the what. The Why is explained only in philosophy!Rummuserhttp://www.rummuser.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4574370384536640867.post-41398619998521294722013-02-10T03:45:12.743-08:002013-02-10T03:45:12.743-08:00Ursula, the answers to your question, yes the answ...Ursula, the answers to your question, yes the answers are many to that one question can be found in a remarkable book - http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/25/books/review/the-sibling-effect-by-jeffrey-kluger-book-review.html?pagewanted=allRummuserhttp://www.rummuser.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4574370384536640867.post-29215881754940134382013-02-09T20:05:11.198-08:002013-02-09T20:05:11.198-08:00@RummuserFrom the way you are posing it, I agree a...@Rummuser<br><br>From the way you are posing it, I agree absolutely. I don't think that is the full purpose of nature vs. nurture, though. I think the vs. is so that we can compare influences, not that they work in opposition.<br><br>So ... the reality is in my mind definitely nature AND nurture working hand in hand to create synergistic combinations unavailable to either in isolation. But, I still think there is a place for comparison of separate effects as we do with the twin studies. Otherwise, we would never have discovered the wonder that epigenetics presents, for one thing.The Old Fossilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05309164084032722383noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4574370384536640867.post-89372085562879747412013-02-09T20:00:40.352-08:002013-02-09T20:00:40.352-08:00@UrsulaFirst, thanks for the compliment. I really...@Ursula<br><br>First, thanks for the compliment. I really appreciate it.<br><br>Second, Delirious response doesn't have me upset in any way. I think it is a pretty reasonable view when you consider that she is very much service oriented. That is where I think her heart and passion lays. Am I correct, D? If so, then from her view, nurture naturally wins.<br><br>Like I said in my last comment, it is not that either side is right or wrong so much as the issue is more complex than we earlier imagined. And that brings me to my next commenter and his vantage point!The Old Fossilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05309164084032722383noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4574370384536640867.post-19920648429942024452013-02-09T19:55:48.370-08:002013-02-09T19:55:48.370-08:00@DeliriousThere are better methods of proof than y...@Delirious<br><br>There are better methods of proof than you might think. They have done studies of identical twins separated at birth to see how they were alike and how they were different. They show amazing similarities in things they like and views on life quite often, more so than with people who don't share identical starting genes. But, it gets more complex, because they also have differences unexpected and this is complicated by a whole new field of study recently developed called epigenetics. It makes for a very interesting study and I might explore it in another post.The Old Fossilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05309164084032722383noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4574370384536640867.post-70579652203455718322013-02-09T05:11:19.539-08:002013-02-09T05:11:19.539-08:00Yes, when you have a situation like this, the natu...Yes, when you have a situation like this, the nature and nurture aspects of one's personality can clearly show up. All the more reason for my conclusion that it should be and and not vs.Rummuserhttp://www.rummuser.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4574370384536640867.post-66392120795093737812013-02-09T03:39:38.580-08:002013-02-09T03:39:38.580-08:00Old Foss, a wonderfully sensitive account of the r...Old Foss, a wonderfully sensitive account of the roles of nature and nurture.<br /><br />UUrsulahttp://bitchontheblog.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4574370384536640867.post-74993760223486028992013-02-09T03:29:45.491-08:002013-02-09T03:29:45.491-08:00Delirious, I so disagree with you I don't know...Delirious, I so disagree with you I don't know what to do with myself other than foam at the mouth. NATURE is who we are. Nurture only chisels. <br /><br />Those people (parents) who believe that a child can be molded like a piece of melted still warm wax are deluding themselves. By way of example: Why do children within the same family - under the same tutelage - still turn out so differently, deal so differently with what life throws at them? Why? The world abounds with examples.<br /><br />What's bred in the bone will come out. To give nurture its due: It will either polish that bone or make it a little rough round the edges.Old Foss Jr was lucky with both his mother and her choice of partner giving him a relatively smooth and loving ride into adulthood.<br /><br />UUrsulahttp://bitchontheblog.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4574370384536640867.post-81362289483383694272013-02-08T23:38:09.679-08:002013-02-08T23:38:09.679-08:00It would be hard to prove, but I think that nurtur...It would be hard to prove, but I think that nurture is far more of an impact than nature.Delirioushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01564398770468606675noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4574370384536640867.post-37011843062096865962013-02-08T22:07:14.885-08:002013-02-08T22:07:14.885-08:00@GrannymarThe genes carry a lot! I'm amazed a...@Grannymar<br><br>The genes carry a lot! I'm amazed at how much of behavior is not based on experience at all.The Old Fossilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05309164084032722383noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4574370384536640867.post-23864482851472896012013-02-08T21:59:32.363-08:002013-02-08T21:59:32.363-08:00@MaxiAgree with everything you say!@Maxi<br><br>Agree with everything you say!The Old Fossilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05309164084032722383noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4574370384536640867.post-37869407582194630902013-02-08T10:30:37.903-08:002013-02-08T10:30:37.903-08:00Between all of you, you did a fine job.
I am oft...Between all of you, you did a fine job. <br /><br />I am often fascinated how much of Elly's paternal grandmother comes through in her, although she never met her. She has her strong character, and her great grandfather's hands, but the quick humour comes from my mammy.Grannymarhttp://grannymar.com/blognoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4574370384536640867.post-87140089615075610062013-02-08T08:11:36.569-08:002013-02-08T08:11:36.569-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.Maxihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15906657260598913275noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4574370384536640867.post-33551517134182102332013-02-08T08:09:03.324-08:002013-02-08T08:09:03.324-08:00The first thing that drew my attention is the smil...The first thing that drew my attention is the smile in your eyes … a proud dad. And your words about "your son" confirm this. Biology is one thing, but nothing is more important than the heart.<br />Blessings to you and the family ~ MaxiMaxihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15906657260598913275noreply@blogger.com